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[綜合討論] AVIS租Focus, 變速箱換檔異音
   shiensr (Marc)

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發表於 2013-6-27 12:10 PM 
8W表速110時轉速2250左右,表速120時2500rpm
而且高速穩定性跟再加速性真的很好,
至於變速箱的聲音也只有在一檔換二檔時會有
而且只是稍微有點聲音而已
marphy 發表:


謝謝您的回覆。

是的,CVT變速箱我也試過了,二高 ...



 
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發表於 2013-6-27 01:11 PM 
Johnyang56 發表:
租車來試車是很好的方法!相處的時間比較久,自己 ...

謝謝您的回覆!

我也是認為租車長時間相處,可以更清楚知道一台車子的特性在什麼地方。
如果有難以接受的點,最好在這個"試婚"階段把他找出來。

看來眾家前輩的回覆,這是正常的聲音。 這點看來就不只是我一人能決定,還需要右座的人一起鑑定,是不是願意將之視為正常。
濕式變速箱不會有這個嘎拉嘎拉的聲音,又符合低轉速的要求,看來是唯一的解決之道。不過還是要看右座大人,能否習慣柴油的排氣味道。

目前Focus還是我的首選,只是要選哪個W,還要再思考一下。有興趣可以看一下我發給Nissan的客服文章(如下),闡述了為何想選FOCUS的理由。

希望不久的將來,有機會發個開箱文。

PS: 租車時,該車的里程數約3100 km。

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您好,

本人為Sentra 180車主,2000年購入這台人生的第一部車(xx-xxxx),它已陪伴我近13個年頭,行駛里程達27.5萬km。

一直以來,都在原廠做保養與維護(最近一次為6/1)。多年來,與技師們長期互動,培養了一定的熟悉度,也對這款普羅大眾車款的後勤零件供應,感到相當滿意。

近期,因車輛年事已高,一次汽缸漏氣引擎抖動,更換汽缸上座;一次熱排破損漏水,被拖下高速公路;最近則是進氣岐管墊片漏氣,空燃比不正確,怠速異常。一年來的多次維修,妥善率降低,讓我興起了換車的念頭。

過去13年的使用經驗,讓我考慮再購入Nissan的車款。然而換車,總有"昇級"的想法,"昇級"並非單純的小車變大車;而是希望新的車款,能夠「維持原有180的優點,改善不足之處」。目前鎖定的車款,是剛上市不久的Big Tiida SV款。

1. Big Tiida的優點:
1.1 乘坐空間: 還記得以前一篇車評說過,如果用Sentra載朋友出遊,小心友誼生變。Big Tiida的確改善了Sentra為人詬病的後座空間。
1.2 省油: 認真的去試乘了兩次,一次市區,一次高速,我相信省油的秘訣在於變速箱,時速110的轉速竟不到2000轉。 這對於個人每天上班來回台北桃園破百公里的使用情境,一定能節省更多日常油資的開支。
1.3 定速:曾在美國出差時,租過定速的車子,只能說用過就回不去了,當時心中就想下一台車一定要有定速。

2. 有可能是優點,但試車沒感覺的項目:
2.1 底盤: Sentra的QT懸吊,一直都有側傾嚴重的問題,高速的穩定度也有待加強。這種感覺是我對比家中另一台Ford Mondeo的深刻體認。 因此換車,會希望新車底盤能有所進步,短暫的試車沒有太深的體認,這點就暫且相信Renault的底盤功力,也許改天去租車試試看。(哪裡有在租?)
2.2 隔音:Sales強調隔音工程有加強,但實際上,我覺得跟Sentra相比,沒有太多進步。 也許這也是相處時間太短所無法體驗的。
2.3 Push Start: 或許很方便不用找鑰匙,不過用了10多年鑰匙開車,我倒覺得沒什麼不方便的。

3.下列項目是我的180已有的配備,而且是我覺得非常實用的配備,但在Big Tiida上卻找不到:
3.1 真皮方向盤: 每天握在手上,真皮的觸感,絕對遠勝過塑膠的方向盤。
3.2 抬頭顯示器: 這在當時國產車中,絕對是革命性的配備,也是我認為最棒的設計,讓我在高速公路行車中,提高駕駛的安全性。不知道為什麼Big Tiida這項配備付之闕如?
3.3 電折後視鏡: 在擁擠狹窄的都會區停車,絕對是必備的,大部分的地下停車場,若不將照後鏡收折,隔壁的車主根本無法閃身開門。另外在窄巷中會車,也是靠這項配備才解除危機。
3.4 除霧後視鏡: 冬天寒流來襲時,每每從寒冷的室外開進溫暖的地下停車場,就像一杯冰水遇到熱空氣一樣,玻璃與照後鏡,立刻結露。倘若沒有除霧後視鏡,根本就跟盲劍客一樣,停車很不方便。
3.5 化妝鏡附照明燈: 開車載老婆參加婚禮或重要場合,一定會在車上補妝。老婆曾經笑稱,180上,她最滿意的就是這項配備。
3.6 撥水玻璃: 這也是加強行車安全的好東西

4.期望更安全: 當年由機車族晉升四輪族,鐵包肉就是最好的安全性,不過既然是換車,當然希望新車的各項主被動安全更勝舊車。
4.1 ESD: 這在美國已是標配,卻必須在Turbo款才享受的到,能下放嗎?
4.2 側氣囊: 還是Tubo版才有
4.3 車身剛性: 沒有數據,要怎樣知道Tiida剛性一定比Sentra好?

以上是這段時間看車的想法,坦白說,一台1.6賣69.9萬的Big Tiida,跟當初我買1.8 62.9萬的Sentra,我完全沒有"昇級"的感覺。
而同樣價位,我卻可以從Ford Focus找到我強調的昇級感受。

即將決定下一台車的我,僅以此文,紀錄並回饋一個13年忠實用戶的感受。


 
   DarkStar (吉)

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發表於 2013-6-27 04:03 PM 
marphy 發表:


謝謝您的回覆!

我也是認為租車長時間相處,可以 ...

大大,很期待你的開箱


 
   daimler_10 (戒了咖啡的山羊)

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發表於 2013-6-27 04:40 PM 
marphy 發表:


謝謝您的回覆!

我也是認為租車長時間相處,可以 ...

無論最後是不是買Focus MK3
總之買得心安,開的爽快是最重要的!!

祝您買到一部心目中理想的好車


 
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   marphy

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發表於 2013-6-27 07:42 PM 
daimler_10 發表:


無論最後是不是買Focus MK3
總之買得心安,開的 ...

謝謝您的祝福! 來去和我的福特業務交關一下了!


 
   huaio (隔壁小林)

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發表於 2013-6-27 10:03 PM 
我目前也是小柴佛,說真的會上癮,尤其上山路,

高速加速,真的給人穩定的感覺,省油,雖然有個渦輪不便宜,

但好好照顧應該也是撐很久,開完真的回不去了


 
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   jimpeng (PP)

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發表於 2013-6-27 11:38 PM 
"3.2 抬頭顯示器"
題外話 Tiida竟然沒HUD喔

Livina都變成標配了
還真是奇怪的安排
可能跟Livina一樣 等改款時加上去...

本來也在考慮Big Tiida
空間上應該是同級最大的
但是想到家裡的Livina底盤晃啊晃的...
還是改定Focus了,先不管開起來怎樣
光是配備表攤開來 就不知道差了多少樣東西
結果價格差不多.....
我阿呆才會選Tiida


 
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   高雄大猴

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發表於 2013-6-28 12:16 AM 
您好..
依照您的情形描述,
小弟覺得您適合4門的TDCI..
當然,預算夠的話直上5門更好,
畢竟濕式ps已經經過了數年的考驗。


 
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發表於 2013-6-28 06:29 PM 
我不相信這是我獨有的感覺,所以搜尋了國外的文章。
按我的情形,比較像是下面標註的狀況。
http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=306863

PowerShift 6 Speed Operating Characteristics
Background
In 2010, Ford launched an all new transmission, PowerShift, an advanced six-speed automatic transmission based on manual transmission technology with class-leading fuel efficiency. This communication will help explain the technology and common operating characteristics of this new transmission found on the Fiesta and Focus in order to improve customer expectations and
experiences. PowerShift is an advanced automatic transmission technology
The PowerShift is really like two 3-speed manual transmissions put together, with the dual clutch and shifting components controlled electronically. Since most of the components are derived from a manual transmission, the PowerShift transmission will drive, sound, and feel like a manual transmission but without the driver interaction.

Service Personnel Support
Since PowerShift Transmission is a new technology, some customers might not be familiar with the normal driving characteristics of this transmission. Service support personnel should be aware of the normal operating characteristics and be able to differentiate between normal characteristics and abnormal symptoms that require service. The following information will
assist with addressing certain potential customer concerns.

Common Characteristics of the PowerShift Transmission
Common Sounds a driver may notice are:
. Double clicking metal sounds. These noises can likely be heard while driving on very smooth surfaces during a 1-2 upshift or a 3-2-1coast down. The sounds occur with every gear engagement, but generally cannot be heard over the background engine, road and wind noises at higher speeds. Most noticeable if the windows are down and the radio is off, these sounds are of the shift forks moving and the synchronizers engaging a gear (similar to a manual transmission). These shifting sounds are part of normal operation.
. Coast down whine. A slight gear whine while slowing or coasting is normal
. Clicking sounds after the engine is turned off. As the vehicle is powered down, the
transmission will cycle the clutches to the released position so it is ready for a safe restart of the engine. This is part of normal operation. Clicking sounds from the
transmission immediately after the engine is turned off are normal.
. Low speed grinding. A slight grinding noise may be heard at about 2 MPH. This noise
is more evident during “trailer-hitching” events (see below). This noise is caused by a
normal bearing rotation and does not affect the durability of the transmission.
. Reverse gear whine. Some PowerShift transmissions will exhibit gear whine in reverse. The level of whine has been significantly reduced in later build vehicles, but can still be detected to some level. This is characteristic of many manual transmissions, and is not a defect or a situation in which a repair should be attempted

Trailer-hitching feel.
Some customers may experience a trailer-hitching feel (or a slight
bumping feel). The trailer-hitching feel may occur in lower forward gears – particularly if the customer is off and on the throttle quickly. It may be more noticeably in a parking lot or when a customer is doing multiple on/off throttle pedal maneuvers. This trailer-hitching/engagement feel is a normal characteristic of the dry clutch-equipped manual transmission design.
Conversely, conventional automatic transmissions are equipped with a torque converter. The torque converter is a fluid coupling device which dampens these positive engagements feels. Diagnostic tips to be used during service visit When evaluating a customer experience regarding this transmission, first compare to a like vehicle. The like vehicle should be at the same transmission fluid temperature as the customer’s vehicle. Sounds will change as the transmission oil changes temperature and viscosity. If the suspect sound is similar to a like transmission at the same temperature, then it is most likely a normal characteristic and no repair attempt should be made.

If the vehicle loses electrical power due to the removal of a power or ground battery cable, or the battery discharges, the transmission will perform an initial system status check upon power restore to verify shift motor position. This results in a series of mechanical noises for 10-30 seconds. The transmission will not engage and the vehicle will not move while this is
happening. This is normal after an electrical power loss to the transmission.

“Green” clutch break-in period
New, replacement, and reset clutches are “green” and require a break in period before shift event quality is maximized. During the break-in period, green clutches may exhibit:
. A rattle noise similar to a loose catalytic converter shield. This noise is commonly heard after light throttle 1-2, 2-3 or 3-4 upshifts. This rattle noise will diminish greatly as the clutch completes the break-in.
. A take-off shudder/launch judder (shaky vs. smooth).
. A harsh-shift feel during the first few cold shifts before the transmission reaches operating temperature.

All of the above conditions will diminish and the customer will notice progressively better launch and smoother shifting within the first few hundred miles of mixed driving as clutch break-in occurs. Note: The break-in process may take longer for highway driving, where the clutch is not shifting.
The transmission will automatically learn and make adaptations during shifting events, so it is important to evaluate after allowing sufficient driving time for adaptations to occur. This green clutch feel may reappear if the clutch touch points are reset and/or the clutch is removed and/or replaced. The condition may last longer for a clutch replacement than a reset. A reset may take up to 100 miles to get the new touch points learned to the point of not making
any of the out-of-adjustment noise. A clutch replacement may take up to 1000 miles to reach break-in dependent on the customer style of driving.
The break-in period can be minimized by performing the adaptive drive cycle exactly as described in the Workshop Manual, Section 307-11 (Fiesta) and 307-01 (Focus)按理來說,3000km的車應該已經學習完畢,不會再有這種現象。但上文的說法是如果去做過Clutch reset,就要再重新學習。也許這台租來的車剛去保養過吧! Who knows!


 




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