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[綜合討論] Focus 6w變速箱過熱
   takuya5c (阿建)

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發表於 2015-4-2 09:25 PM 
之前在01網站回過,當然那裏酸民砲火猛烈就懶得再回了..

乾式ps變速箱過熱已經是focus mk3月經題...

以下筆記請準備好:

這顆變速箱遇塞車掛甚麼檔都沒用,該來還是會來,﹝變速箱過熱請休息x分鐘﹞若不理他,會有四階段警告,最後會是「請安全停車」,並依警告等級會限制變速箱功能...

但重點來了,ps乾式變速箱因成本問題,裡面並沒有溫度計感應器,那為什麼會有﹝溫度過熱﹞警告?

原來是工程師寫出來的模擬程式,程式會計算車主踩油門和踩剎車的頻率,及車速與溫度等車況情形,

說白一點就是預防性的保護程式,並不是真的變速箱溫度過高,車主也不用過度擔心!

在甚麼情況下容易產生警告訊息?

1.塞車蠕行  2.慢速爬坡  3.油門和剎車同時踩著

解決方式:路邊停車打P檔熄火休息,或以上條件排除,譬如車速恢復正常行駛,則訊息就會消失...


原文出處http://articles.sae.org/8287/



The six-speed dual-shift gearbox ("DSG") in Ford's 2011 Fiesta has a four-shaft "gear pack" from Getrag and a dual-clutch assembly from LuK. However, Ford did more than wrap a housing around these components.

Integrating the DSG, which Ford has branded PowerShift, into a new powertrain that can satisfy domestic Ford buyers was a major human-factors engineering effort because the DSG is different, both in componentry and operation.

The DSG has no oil pump, oil cooler, hydraulic controls, or torque converter. Micro-slipping the clutches provides the torsional damping. All shifting is done with electromechanical actuators. Two actuators switch from one clutch to another to instantly effect gear changes with no loss in torque. Others operate forks for gear selection.

DSG's close relationship to a manual transmission means it delivers a fuel economy benefit of about 8 percent vs. a conventional four-speed automatic, Ford claims. U.S. EPA highway fuel efficiency is estimated at 40 mpg for the Fiesta. The transmission is built in a Ford-Getrag joint-venture plant in Mexico. Piero Aversa serves as Ford's PowerShift engineering manager.

According to John Rich, Powertrain Integration Manager during Fiesta development, Ford's objective is a transmission control strategy that warns while gradually trying to guide the driver from low-speed abusive operation into patterns that maintain reasonable clutch assembly temperatures for durability but without annoyance or causing noticeably poor driveability.

This contrasts with the simpler approach of flashing a warning and if the driver doesn't respond appropriately, causing the transmission to shudder while shifting, and at a critical point, throwing the gearbox into neutral.

It might seem most effective to use a temperature sensor to monitor clutch assembly temperatures, but "sometimes sensors have their downsides," Rich explained.

Ford has four primary instrument-panel message center alert levels plus several possible actions the control module may take. These require not only sensor precision throughout the temperature range but for the rated life of the transmission itself. That overall requirement is better served by a virtual sensor—an algorithm that looks at many inputs, including a measurement of electrical energy to each of the two clutch actuators, as well as road speed, engine rpm, ambient temperature, etc.

In fact, there is no transmission temperature sensor, not even in the fluid, as the DSG gear pack contains no clutches and bands. The algorithm was developed in conjunction with LuK with assistance from Getrag, Rich said. Ford started with a simulator program in which "civilian" Ford employees tested a wide range of control strategies.

The simulator provided feel of road grade, including rollback on hills, and the "drivers" faced an instrument panel similar to that on the Fiesta. They were videotaped, including their foot positions, to see how they reacted to different IP messages, so the human factors engineers could see what worked and what some "drivers" tried to resist.

Warning levels

The warning levels start with "Transmission Hot-Stop or Speed Up" plus a warning chime. The message may repeat with a slightly louder chime. If heat buildup continues, the next message is "Transmission Hot-Stop Safely."

If there's no suitable change in driver technique and temperature of the clutch continues to increase, the computer can induce some shift shudder and then display "Transmission Hot-Stop. Wait One Minute" (or subsequently, the same message with more minutes). If the peak temperature level is breached, that message may be accompanied by the DSG going into neutral.

But multiple warnings and then shudder come first. Neutral only occurs when the temperature peak is exceeded, after the multiple warnings. So the declutching is always within a gradual sequence, never abrupt, Rich said. When clutch assembly temperature drops sufficiently, "Transmission Ready" is displayed.

With a properly functioning transmission, excessive heat buildup won't occur during normal or even aggressive driving, Rich claimed. Various forms of abusive low-speed/high-load operation, however, can heat up the DSG clutch. The most severe buildup occurs if the driver uses the gas pedal to hold the car on a relatively steep upgrade, or even creep slightly uphill at perhaps 2-4 mph, Rich said.

The virtual sensor can detect a "hold" and change clutch application torque slightly, so the car will start to roll back (although a warning message precedes that).

The objective is to induce the driver to apply the brakes, which disengages the clutch (producing neutral idle), cooling the clutch.

If the driver attempts to launch repeatedly in a 2-4 mph crawl-along and the clutch assembly is hot, the computer will inhibit launch to allow some cooling. Ford tested its algorithm in Mexico City, Rich said, where drivers tend to keep close to the car in front, and the clutch assembly didn't overheat. The PowerShift does have the creep function that drivers expect, however, along with a hill-hold, in which the brake pressure holds briefly as the driver switches to the gas pedal.

One algorithm that took particularly careful tuning can back off the throttle when the driver has his foot on the brake pedal. A common trait is left-foot braking, with the foot continuously resting on the brake pedal while the right foot is pressing on the gas pedal—a situation for which the clutch assembly temperature algorithm was developed.

However, the control module has to instantly differentiate between that and a motorist trying to stop the car with a stuck throttle. On the Fiesta, a brake pressure transducer in the antilock brake module is monitored, so the computer can distinguish a modest change perhaps because of driver fidgeting from an emergency move.

AEI tested this algorithm during the new Fiesta's U.S. media preview, and we could maintain the throttle with our foot resting even moderately on the brake pedal. But from that point, even a modest but positive press on the pedal brought the engine back to idle.


 
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   elison

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   ken094 (閃光魔術)

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發表於 2015-4-3 01:17 AM 

當開著手排車在車陣中走走停停慢速移動時

有人會一直只用左腳踩放離合器、右腳踩放煞車去開嗎??

我是不會啦

而樓主就是讓MK3一直處於這樣的狀態

不過熱也蠻難的

所以

有在開手排車的真的比較適合買MK3

有些問題其實只是開車習慣造成罷了


 
   harnet

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發表於 2015-4-3 06:18 AM 
allen2753 發表:
在高速公路上竟然出現這訊息,才開3千多公里,真另人失望,回原廠可以解決嗎?...

回原廠檢查


 
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   mark6257

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發表於 2015-4-3 06:25 AM 
takuya5c 發表:
在甚麼情況下容易產生警告訊息?

1.塞車蠕行  2.慢速爬坡  3.油門和剎車同時踩著

解決方式:路邊停車打P檔熄火休息,或以上條件排除,譬如車速恢復正常行駛,則訊息就會消失...

就 t大 所提供的文章中. 可以歸類出幾個要點.

1. 所謂的虛擬溫度計. 是依據 離合器開合. 轉速. 速度. 環境溫度. 來做偵測的.

2. 正常駕駛或激烈駕駛. 是不會累積熱量. 但溫度會升高.

3. 煞車踏板作動的的時間長短. 也就是持續性長短. 也是虛擬溫度計的判斷依據.

4. 爬坡或跑山路. 低轉速高負荷. 容易快速累積熱量.

5. PS 變速箱過熱訊息產生的原因. 是累積的熱量(溫度)所造成. 不是溫度升高而造成.

    因為虛擬溫度計. 是由 離合器開合. 轉速. 速度. 環境溫度. 等四個要素來做偵測計算的.

    外加煞車踏板制動的持續時間長短. 來換算或計算出變速箱內的溫度.

    也就是說持續的產生熱量(可以解讀為駕駛方式是否對應 PS 變速箱特性). 熱量卻無法有效的散發掉.

    這應該才是變速箱過熱訊息產生的主因.


車友常說的. 不怕出現問題. 只怕不知問題出現在哪裡?!

若照 t大 的解決方式. 以台灣的交通環境. FOCUS 是人開人嫌的.  PS 變速箱是無法存活到現在的.


歸納文章中的問題. 整理眾多車友的預防解決方式如下. (加快熱量的散發. 減少熱量的產生)

1. 記得隨時開著冷氣 AC 鍵. (增加空氣流通. 帶走熱量)

2. 蠕行(半離合器)時間要減少. (避免產生熱量)

3. 不要有事沒事就一直踩著(含著)煞車踏板. (因為這也是虛擬溫度計的感測依據)

4. 爬坡或跑山路. 不要維持低轉速高負荷運轉. (文章內有說明. 熱量累積快速)  

5. 轉速要依據路況及環境. 而有所變化. (轉速高低就請駕駛者自行領悟了)



以上是個人見解. 若有錯誤. 煩請指正. 歡迎討論.


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   RC (阿西哥)

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發表於 2015-4-3 06:47 AM 
不要裝下護板


   takuya5c (阿建)

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發表於 2015-4-6 08:29 PM 
mark6257 發表:

1. 所謂的虛擬溫度計. 是依據 離合器開合. 轉速. 速度. 環境溫度. 來做偵測的.

2. 正常駕駛或激烈駕駛. 是不會累積熱量. 但溫度會升高.

3. 煞車踏板作動的的時間長短. 也就是持續性長短. 也是虛擬溫度計的判斷依據.

4. 爬坡或跑山路. 低轉速高負荷. 容易快速累積熱量.

5. PS 變速箱過熱訊息產生的原因. 是累積的熱量(溫度)所造成. 不是溫度升高而造成.

     因為虛擬溫度計. 是由 離合器開合. 轉速. 速度. 環境溫度. 等四個要素來做偵測計算的.

     外加煞車踏板制動的持續時間長短. 來換算或計算出變速箱內的溫度.

     也就是說持續的產生熱量(可以解讀為駕駛方式是否對應 PS 變速箱特性). 熱量卻無法有效的散發掉.

     這應該才是變速箱過熱訊息產生的主因.


車友常說的. 不怕出現問題. 只怕不知問題出現在哪裡?!

若照 t大 的解決方式. 以台灣的交通環境. FOCUS 是人開人嫌的.  PS 變速箱是無法存活到現在的.


歸納文章中的問題. 整理眾多車友的預防解決方式如下. (加快熱量的散發. 減少熱量的產生)

1. 記得隨時開著冷氣 AC 鍵. (增加空氣流通. 帶走熱量)

2. 蠕行(半離合器)時間要減少. (避免產生熱量)

3. 不要有事沒事就一直踩著(含著)煞車踏板. (因為這也是虛擬溫度計的感測依據)

4. 爬坡或跑山路. 不要維持低轉速高負荷運轉. (文章內有說明. 熱量累積快速)  

5. 轉速要依據路況及環境. 而有所變化. (轉速高低就請駕駛者自行領悟了)



以上是個人見解. 若有錯誤. 煩請指正. 歡迎討論.

推~~感謝mark大大!匯整得很好!希望好文對大家有幫助!國外汽車銷售都有完整的使用說明,而國產六和工業只負責組裝車子,並沒有教育好消費者,車主只好自己多做功課了


 




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